he actually had to walk out of the negotiations because when he sat there with durbin he said i'm not really for tax increases i'm just putting tax increases on the table, and he's giving me all these spending cuts and i haven't agreed to anything. i just talk about tax increases. and i said a senator, do you think it is possible but he goes back to the democratic caucus and says i'm putting these imaginary spending cuts on the table and he didn't know these tax increases and tom coburn said he would never be that dishonest. i think he is and i think you are not. i think he takes you seriously and you should not take him seriously. but again, they spend more than a year putting the simpson-bowles which of you haven't seen it is a slide presentation outline, the only numbers are in the page numbers. it's a series of interesting things. the tax burden is to go up from 18.5% and full employment to 21. that is a 5 trillion-dollar tax increase over a decade. the opening bid, plus and a trillion dollars of the tax increases from eliminating and reducing deductions and exemptions and so on,